"Hey Seppel, when are you coming out with some vore cards? I don't want to play unless there's vore!"
"Hey Seppel, please don't include vore! I don't want my Furres to be eaten; that's gross!"
Hey guys, I'm Seppel. I totally believe that you can't please everyone all of the time, however, you can please everyone at the same time. I'm here to tell you that if you don't like vore, everything's going to be great! And if you do like vore, then everything's going to be great!
Let's take a step back and talk about the beginning of Furoticon... Back in 2009, we were small. Very small. We had a game, and we had everyone clamoring to shape Furoticon into, well, their fetish. We were a little overwhelmed.
We were fresh meat.
(Yes, we were three Herm Fox Furre tokens with 3 stamina and 1 for all PEs. And we couldn't enter bed. This happened in real life.)
(See? That's a real photograph taken at our... ok, I digress. A token Furre is a Furre that doesn't go into your deck, like this Fox Token above.)
The very first year of Furoticon was filled with cries of, "Put my fetish into Furoticon!" and "You don't have enough of my favorite species! Where's the dolphin deck?" We listened, and we made sure not to be led too far in one direction.
We listened to the biggest crowds first -- bondage themes (Triskelion in 2010 and Di'Ahla's Awakening in 2013) and college themes (Vanilla in 2011, Strawberry in 2013, and Caramel coming in 2014). We were also able to fit a tribal theme in there (Tribes of Tanglebrook in 2012). The next loudest voices were for a fantasy theme, and we're bringing that to you now with Fortune at Vell's End.
We began brainstorming ideas for Fortune at Vell's End in September of 2012. It was then that we realized that we could push all of the fantasy fetishes in this set -- vore, inflation, magic, and so on. And moments later we understood that that would have been a great way to alienate all of our fans. I recognized that there needed to be a balance -- lots of our regular sexiness with a small sprinkle of fetishes.
But even that isn't enough when it comes to vore. A number of our fans have a serious enough dislike for vore that they would stop playing if their Furres got eaten. Some people get disgusted from vore. And personally, I'm not into it.
So that was the challenge: I had to think long and hard about how to make vore attractive to myself while making sure I didn't upset anyone. I felt like Shigeru Miyamoto, when he designed a first-person shooter game 14 years ago.
First, I needed information. We took responses from vore fans, asking what was appealing about vore artwork and the vore concept. We received varied responses: the tight hugging feeling, the sense of danger, the thrill of the hunt, power, dominance, and submission. The pieces of the puzzle were shaken out of the box. With the help of Sigil and Callista, we came up with concepts that would match up to these feelings in ways that the rest of our fans would be able to appreciate as well.
And, of course, we had to make a few cute and silly monsters:
(Normally, you'd need to put 3 Furres into bed to please 3 Furres on the opposing side, but if Kitty Cube eats 2 Furres and swings, it can please 3 Furres all by itself!)
We agreed early on that if we were to include vore, everything had to be soft vore (eating someone is harmless fun, and they can come out when they're ready). A lot of the artwork needs to focus on emotions rather than acts-in-progress. And of course, we need big characters and small characters. If you like sizeplay (that is, size differences), you're in luck!
We started fitting everything together, and the last question was about the mechanic itself: how do we fit swallowing into the game without upsetting anyone? I thought about this for nearly a week. Then it hit me while taking a walk in my neighborhood. Remember that comment at the top of this article? "I don't want my Furres to be eaten!" That comment played through my head, and it was the final piece of the puzzle -- vore has to be kept to the harem that enjoys the vore.
In other words, your Glutton can only eat Furres you control. Your opponent's Glutton can only eat Furres they control. There are a few rare instances where this isn't true, but we did our best to make them completely tolerable!
This article was longer than I expected, but a lot needed to be explained. I hope I didn't put you to sleep!
Some final rule notes:
* Your only chance to eat Furres is when the Glutton is entering the scene. Eating doesn't target, so a Glutton can eat an Elusive Furre.
* Eating isn't a requirement. A Glutton can choose to eat 0 Furres.
* Glutton is a passive skill that adds rules to the Furre entering the scene (it eats while it's entering the scene). This means that there's no chance to react after a Glutton Furre enters the scene but before it eats. You have to either deny a Glutton before it enters the scene, or deal with it after it eats.
* When the Glutton orgasms (or leaves the scene), all Furres eaten go to the couch.
* A Glutton can eat another Glutton! Unfortunately, the previously eaten Furres go to the couch, not to the next Glutton's belly.
* The "belly" zone is an out-of-scene zone that every object has (Gluttons are the only ones that use it). Token cards are allowed to exist there, and cards in a belly can be targeted by skills.
* A Glutton retains the Furres in its belly if it loses its Glutton skill.
That's about it!
Sorry, comments are closed for this article.
|Nezumi12 on May 29th, 2014 @ 10:33 AM|
@Magetorment: Thank you, that does answer my question.
mahsroh on May 29th, 2014 @ 07:40 AM
this was a fascinating read! it's great to read about the design process behind making vore palatable for a general audience
Darkkismeth on May 29th, 2014 @ 02:55 AM
I want more of these Fox herm furres! They look great!
RainbowKitten on May 29th, 2014 @ 01:22 AM
I'm really looking forward to trying out all these new skills and cards. Best part is it means new deck types to try building. :)
Daralyn on May 28th, 2014 @ 11:01 PM
definitely interesting choice, and I must say very apreciated, at least by me.
To be honest I don't mind other people to use vore in art, and generally I don't mind most fetishes, but vore and few others are simply impossible for me.
I don't have much money but I hope in time I manage to complete card colection and when I've seen this... I had urge to avoid whole set.
But this way I'll manage even tough, I'll definitely don't put gluttons in my packs. of other players, even against me will... it is their choice and it is part of the game so I can't be upset bout that...but not happy as well
Magetorment on May 28th, 2014 @ 09:49 PM
@Nezumi: Furres in a stomach are face-down, meaning they have no stamina to be increased or reduced. This does not climax them due to the rules of the stomach zone (same rules that keep tokens around). While I'm not 100% if you can take control of furres in a belly, that wouldn't inherently remove them from a belly. Additionally alterations can't be played on furres in bellies.
So yeah, basically stats/control of a furre in a belly are irrelevant. The only things they do while in there is count towards how many furres were eaten by the glutton. Hope that answers your question.
polkakitty on May 28th, 2014 @ 09:43 PM
This kind of reminds me of a piece of advice I wish more furry artists got: Don't take fetish-related commissions unless you'd be okay with people asking you for that same fetish every time you open for commissions. It's really easy to become known for drawing a particular theme, which will turn out badly for everyone if it's not one that you enjoy yourself.
And I was one of the ones clamoring for my favorite fetishes and species to be in the game, way back when. I actually feel a little bit bad about that now. But I eventually came to the conclusion that there are certain fetishes, like transformation or macrophilia, that have a very wide range of things that can be done with them, and if you're going to pick a fetish to be the theme of an entire set, it probably has to be one of those because it lets you create scenes to appeal to all kinds of tastes. (There's a lot that can be done with the idea of becoming someone else, for instance, even if you've never thought of yourself as a transformation fetishist.)
If you don't like, say, any of the sadism in Triskelion, there's still a pretty good chance you might like some of the bondage stuff, or the idea of serving a Domme. But if you take something like inflation, as much as I love it, there are really only a few inflation fantasies you can have, as sick minds greater than my own have lamented. (By which I mean, it's been brought up on Podcastigation a couple of times.) If you don't like one inflation scene, there's not really much else that can be done with it, so I don't think it would really work as a theme for a set (and I doubt there'd be 100+ cards' worth of material you could get out of it anyway.)
So basically, my point is, Kitty Cube is the most awesome monster ever.
Nezumi12 on May 28th, 2014 @ 09:28 PM
so i can target a furre in my opponent's glutton with skills? does that mean i can take control of them or reduce/increase their stamina? and if so, what then? does the furre get disgorged to my side, or the couch should the stamina reduction cause them to orgasm, respectively? or are their stats/controller irrelevant as they are not "in the scene" while swallowed?
JavelinChimera on May 28th, 2014 @ 08:46 PM
Seppel, I've been following this game since pretty much the beginning, but I think this is the first time I've left a comment on the front page. Just wanted to say that I share your feeling on this subject and I think you've handled the situation in a very classy manner. Much respect, can't wait for this set.
Magetorment on May 28th, 2014 @ 07:32 PM
Yeah, I remember being among those voices back in 09. Really happy I was able to come on the team at the fantasy set. Also still floored at how well the foxes came out. Absolutely stunning.
@Bluejay: Oh just you wait until you see more of the cult. They've got some of my favorite arts in the set.
Yaganel_Clickstrobe on May 28th, 2014 @ 07:13 PM
This all sounds amazing!!! Wonderful work Seppel. *hugs*
ezekiel_tyr on May 28th, 2014 @ 06:56 PM
hmmm.... so much to process now with this new skill
EdwardHyena on May 28th, 2014 @ 05:42 PM
Shut up and take my money!
BlueJay on May 28th, 2014 @ 05:34 PM
A cult made out of sexy herm foxes? Sign me up!
Lafitte on May 28th, 2014 @ 05:23 PM
I can sympathize with the anxiety over including a fetish that is both such a big deal to some folks, and such a turn off for others. I'm glad you came to a solution that should be able to accommodate everyone and I hope no one holds it against you or gets too upset that it was included. I'm still eager to see more (That Kitty Cube, rules wise, is really nice).
Kaia_Cougar on May 28th, 2014 @ 05:15 PM
I think your efforts will not go to waste. I share your opinion, but I can definitely see that you're making it interesting. That has to be the best rendition of a gelatinous cube, ever.
Also, those Herm Foxes are dead sexy.